well i play css and people say that optical mices are better than laser for fps games but i heard also that ikari laser is better in this case, wich one should i choose?
I had an Ikari Laser, it died after a couple of months. Worked great before it died though.
Now I have an Ikari Optical. The biggest problem is its high liftoff distance. Its liftoff is very high on SteelSeries S&S and Razer Mantis Control. However, liftoff is medium/low on my Fnatic Titan. I'd recommend the Optical if you use a Fnatic Titan or similar mousepad.
hm i play with optical since 2 weeks on a Qpad white and liftoff is doing really well. Unfortunately the liftoff on S&S sucks, but if you stick some hyperglides on it to increase the distance between surface and mouse, the liftoff is equal to MS 1.1 or 3.0...
but another thing i heard something about, there should be some negative acceleration problems, can anyone tell me what it exactly means?
laser is always better no matter what. Better tracking better reliability, better liftoff and really no negatives compared to optical. Go laser you wont regret it.
the optical sensor found in the ikari optical is the same agilent sensor found in the mx510 which when run @ 1000hertz is the most reliable sensor around. steelseries however made a big mistake with the actual positioning of the sensor which cause negative acceleration, a huge liftoff distance and in many cases the inability to track whatsoever at times.
some people claim to have problems with the ikari laser however i havent had any problems with it. the tracking is top notch and it tracks better than my 1.1 imo ss / deathadder on my qck heavy (although deathadders dont track well on qck heavy's). the only problem ive had with the ikari laser is the shape itself hence i no longer use it (my hands are too big for it and i find that the mouse1/mouse1 base isnt wide enough.)
steelseries however made a big mistake with the actual positioning of the sensor which cause negative acceleration, a huge liftoff distance and in many cases the inability to track whatsoever at times.
My god you really haven't got a clue.
"i rofl in your directions." Stupidity at its finest.
#14 How does a position of a optical sensor loose DPI HZ power... only thing right is that the position of the sensor could cause liftoff distance.
Thats like saying I moved my exhaust pipe so its no longer on the right but now on the left, it no longer has the same power but I did no change anything technical.
This comment was edited at 05/04/2008 6:11 AM
"i rofl in your directions." Stupidity at its finest.
13/15 i got that information directly from steelseries itself. here are the facts - the optical version uses the same sensor as the mx510, there are of course however slight tweaks f.e. stronger light source and no correction but the sensor itself is the same agilent sensor as used in the mx510 which at default runs at 125 hertz however can and has been overclocked to run at 1000 hertz by steelseries. - also when did i ever mention anything about the mouse losing "DPI HZ power" i dont even know wtf youre talking about, i guess thats a catchphrase australian hicks use. - so far all optical mice which depend on a strong light source and have no correction f.e. the intellimouse will get negative acceleration. if you knew anything about sensors it would have been self-explanatory and the example you gave about the exhaust pipe has no relation to this whatsoever. - the only thing i cannot properly explain is why the mouse will frequently completely stop tracking however the fact remains it does it MOST cases making the topic a clear choice which is what i was originally trying to establish however as usual fully expected some high fructose corn syrup hick to respond with an irrelevant post.
The more HZ and DPI you have the less the Neg Accel so if the optical engine is specced to have 1000hz and 1600DPI how is positioning going to affect the negative acceleration?
This comment was edited at 05/04/2008 7:58 AM
"i rofl in your directions." Stupidity at its finest.
17 where exactly did you hear that the more dpi/hz your mouse runs at the less negative acceleration you experience...
ill give you just a few examples which completely discredit this claim.
the mx300 f.e. is a mouse that on default runs at 400dpi/125hz and is still one of the best mice in terms of tracking, the mouse does get a substantial boost from being overclocked to run at 1000hz. now lets take the mx518 f.e. this mouse gets no tracking boost from being overclocked to 1000hz on top of which performs exactly the same on 400dpi or 1600. results between mice and their respective specs are very individual there is no set pattern. dpi doesnt mean the mouse tracks better in anyway (the lachesis being a perfect example) it simply means the mouse tracks faster on default without manipulating / degrading your performance with windows. as far as hertz it has been proven that some mice do and some mice dont get a performance boost from running at 1000hertz/being overclocked.
if you wish to know exactly why the ikari optical has negative acceleration issues (as well as alot of other problems) than by all means ask steelseries. so far ive stated nothing but facts and i also feel that unlike some complete tools than come in with their own agenda i simply stated the most intelligent reponse in regards to the topic. the only pattern ive observed in regards to negative acceleration is correction. f.e. the intellimouse has never skipped on me however at fast enough speeds there has been negative acceleration (same goes for the ime, wmo, omb etc.) and with the deathadder (a mouse with correction) i have never experienced negative acceleration however at fast enough speeds ive frequently experienced the mouse completely stop tracking on a qck heavy.
20 - actually i think i can, however i wont. i suggest you ask steelseries themselves. i would be kind enough to go into my inbox and paste my responses from them however youre not worth that time.
22 - youre right using examples and words etc. in a sentence format makes you sound smart... ive actually clearly stated my experiences with negative acceleration more than once therefore it is not my fault youre illiterate. everything ive said about the ikari optical is directly from contacting steelseries as ive never used the optical version. how does someone come off calling someone clueless and than proceed to ask them questions... i would really like to know your weis-iq score that is if you ever took a weis. in conclusion i never tried to prove anything i simply state facts in regards to the topic which might atleast help the people that are interested as opposed to the ones who are bored and looking for a fight on the internets.
24 - i agree the mouse is ideal in many ways. the malfunction speed is higher than my imo 1.1 ss as well as my deathadder considering i use a qck heavy. only problem ive had with the mouse is that it is too large hence im sticking with my imo 1.1 ss however i do have much larger hands than the average person hence it shouldnt be a problem for most people. it may sound odd that my hands are too large for the mouse considering it has one of the widest bases, however the middle mouse1/mouse2 section is nowhere near as wide as it should be imo hence no matter how i try to palm grip the mouse there is a gap between the my palm/thumb leaving me to control the mouse with the tips of my fingers and claw gripping this mouse simply isnt ideal.
#26: It seems to me that you have no knowledge whatsoever of the history of IQ tests. The first known one was created in order to see whether children of a specific age were ready to go to school. Only later were they associated with separating student into those with learning problems and those without. And the last step was to make it so that those with lower scores would somehow be mentally challenged. Well, to tell you the truth, that's nothing but a big pile of crap.
And by the way, it's WAIS, not WEIS. Wechler Adult Intelligence Scale. Now, what did you say about being clueless again?
And instead of trying to sound like a wise guy, I think it would be better if you just answered the questions directly without stepping on any of the many unrelated side tracks you've taken so far.
27-olba im not the one known for sidetracks, youre the one who constantly takes sidetracks including the post im now replying to.
i thank you for your brief history about iq but i assure you i have far more knowledge than you in regards to iq as well as a quite good iq itself. i scored a 119 on a wais-3 and will be taking a wais-4 soon. while a 119 is nothing extraordinary it is way above average. im sure that wais was not the only thing i misspelled as i am now in vienna on a offbeat keyboard.
now as far as iq tests go they do a pretty good job of testing your processing speed, cognitive control, memory and awareness amongst other things.
youve argued with me in regards to input devices in the past and i cant recall a single argument i lost simply because i state facts which you cannot lose with. if you wish to argue with me about other things i know even more about than by all means i welcome the arguments just not on gotfrag. as i said to you countless times before please stick to the thread topic.
ikari laser or optical
Now I have an Ikari Optical. The biggest problem is its high liftoff distance. Its liftoff is very high on SteelSeries S&S and Razer Mantis Control. However, liftoff is medium/low on my Fnatic Titan. I'd recommend the Optical if you use a Fnatic Titan or similar mousepad.
really low lift-off, dpi selector, free-trackin option ,etc
DeathAdder.
but another thing i heard something about, there should be some negative acceleration problems, can anyone tell me what it exactly means?
some people claim to have problems with the ikari laser however i havent had any problems with it. the tracking is top notch and it tracks better than my 1.1 imo ss / deathadder on my qck heavy (although deathadders dont track well on qck heavy's). the only problem ive had with the ikari laser is the shape itself hence i no longer use it (my hands are too big for it and i find that the mouse1/mouse1 base isnt wide enough.)
but dont even get an ikari they are bad mice. razer deathadder or microsoft intellimouse explorer 3.0 ftw. both optical mice.
My god you really haven't got a clue.
Thats like saying I moved my exhaust pipe so its no longer on the right but now on the left, it no longer has the same power but I did no change anything technical.
here are the facts
- the optical version uses the same sensor as the mx510, there are of course however slight tweaks f.e. stronger light source and no correction but the sensor itself is the same agilent sensor as used in the mx510 which at default runs at 125 hertz however can and has been overclocked to run at 1000 hertz by steelseries.
- also when did i ever mention anything about the mouse losing "DPI HZ power" i dont even know wtf youre talking about, i guess thats a catchphrase australian hicks use.
- so far all optical mice which depend on a strong light source and have no correction f.e. the intellimouse will get negative acceleration. if you knew anything about sensors it would have been self-explanatory and the example you gave about the exhaust pipe has no relation to this whatsoever.
- the only thing i cannot properly explain is why the mouse will frequently completely stop tracking however the fact remains it does it MOST cases making the topic a clear choice which is what i was originally trying to establish however as usual fully expected some high fructose corn syrup hick to respond with an irrelevant post.
ill give you just a few examples which completely discredit this claim.
the mx300 f.e. is a mouse that on default runs at 400dpi/125hz and is still one of the best mice in terms of tracking, the mouse does get a substantial boost from being overclocked to run at 1000hz. now lets take the mx518 f.e. this mouse gets no tracking boost from being overclocked to 1000hz on top of which performs exactly the same on 400dpi or 1600. results between mice and their respective specs are very individual there is no set pattern. dpi doesnt mean the mouse tracks better in anyway (the lachesis being a perfect example) it simply means the mouse tracks faster on default without manipulating / degrading your performance with windows. as far as hertz it has been proven that some mice do and some mice dont get a performance boost from running at 1000hertz/being overclocked.
if you wish to know exactly why the ikari optical has negative acceleration issues (as well as alot of other problems) than by all means ask steelseries. so far ive stated nothing but facts and i also feel that unlike some complete tools than come in with their own agenda i simply stated the most intelligent reponse in regards to the topic. the only pattern ive observed in regards to negative acceleration is correction. f.e. the intellimouse has never skipped on me however at fast enough speeds there has been negative acceleration (same goes for the ime, wmo, omb etc.) and with the deathadder (a mouse with correction) i have never experienced negative acceleration however at fast enough speeds ive frequently experienced the mouse completely stop tracking on a qck heavy.
On topic get a deathadder
24 - i agree the mouse is ideal in many ways. the malfunction speed is higher than my imo 1.1 ss as well as my deathadder considering i use a qck heavy. only problem ive had with the mouse is that it is too large hence im sticking with my imo 1.1 ss however i do have much larger hands than the average person hence it shouldnt be a problem for most people. it may sound odd that my hands are too large for the mouse considering it has one of the widest bases, however the middle mouse1/mouse2 section is nowhere near as wide as it should be imo hence no matter how i try to palm grip the mouse there is a gap between the my palm/thumb leaving me to control the mouse with the tips of my fingers and claw gripping this mouse simply isnt ideal.
And by the way, it's WAIS, not WEIS. Wechler Adult Intelligence Scale. Now, what did you say about being clueless again?
And instead of trying to sound like a wise guy, I think it would be better if you just answered the questions directly without stepping on any of the many unrelated side tracks you've taken so far.
i thank you for your brief history about iq but i assure you i have far more knowledge than you in regards to iq as well as a quite good iq itself. i scored a 119 on a wais-3 and will be taking a wais-4 soon. while a 119 is nothing extraordinary it is way above average. im sure that wais was not the only thing i misspelled as i am now in vienna on a offbeat keyboard.
now as far as iq tests go they do a pretty good job of testing your processing speed, cognitive control, memory and awareness amongst other things.
youve argued with me in regards to input devices in the past and i cant recall a single argument i lost simply because i state facts which you cannot lose with. if you wish to argue with me about other things i know even more about than by all means i welcome the arguments just not on gotfrag. as i said to you countless times before please stick to the thread topic.