Apevia Black/Black X-Plorer ATX Mid-Tower Case with Clear Side, Fan Controller, Front USB and Firewire Port, PowerUp 800-Watt PSU (http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/S.. $147
Total cost - 850$ without taxes or shipping. Any changes needed? I know the video card I could change from a 9600 to a 8800 .
8800 is affordable for my budget the gt model though. Is http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/Se.. that one good for an 8800 its even cheaper than the 9600 after mail-ins.
Well like you said, drop the 9600GT and invest in the 8800GT. Also, I'd drop the DS3R for a DS3L. That should even out the total.
As for the Case + PSU bundles, I wouldn't trust a prebundled PSU, so instead invest in a Corsair and a cheaper case, such as the ULTRA E-Torque (http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/S.. Great simple, toolless case I've used for two of my builds.
Cheap good mobo that has a pci-e 2.0 slot any suggestions? Might also just go with Ultra Black Aluminus ATX Mid-Tower Case (http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/S.. No idea which power supply though. Also would the mobo I have be a good fit with a pci-e 2.0 card such as the EVGA 8800 GT on TigerDirect for 159$?
On board is fine for now . I don't see any real advantage besides a better sound quality for which I can tell player positions right now with onboard stereo.
First of all, check out this ram before you get yours: 4gb (CORSAIR XMS 2) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp.. (5-5-5 timing) or (4-4-4 timing) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp.. a little bit higher in price b/c the cas latency is low, but it isn't a big deal from 5-5-5, trust me. I bought this ram a while back, and it came out to $84.00 with rebate! they put the price up though, it's still worth it I can tell you that much. And instead of having 2GB, you will have 4GB. The dominator series of CORSAIR are amazing! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp.. (they are pricey, but much faster) About the processor:
Now about the processor, yours is $240.00, but if you are going to spend that much, why not spend just a tiny bit more for the quad? Trust me, you will not be disappointed. Any of these will do! I suggest the Core 2 Quad Q6700 Kentsfield 2.66GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 95W or Core 2 Quad Q9300 Yorkfield 2.5GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 95W, but it is completey up to how much you can spend.
Well the 9600GT is great and all, but not for most things. You might want to take a look in to the 8800GTS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp.. (it's a couple of bucks more, but with the rebate, it's only $24.00 more which isn't bad at all. Very good card, I would recommend the 9800GTX http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp.. , but it's a little pricey for you. I believe any of them are a better deal because you also get free shipping as well! Look for free shipping, it really helps you :D.
About the case:
I would recommend a full tower, they are big, but a lot of them have excellent air flow, cooling, and all of that. They can last you a any upgrades you want to do later on, as much parts as you want to put inside, and a life time. Now I would recommend coolermaster, but most of their mid tower cases aren't as good, but they have excellent full tower cases, in which they are very pricey, but definitely worth it. Now I will show you which full tower cases I recommend, and I'm sure you will be surprised by the prices.
Now about the last two, to actually use them to their fullest potential, you will have to spend extra bucks for 120mm fans for the side and 1 on top. I use to have this case, it's amazing. Beautifully made, a lot of room, excellent air flow, computer never heated, and it's just exhilirating over all. I would recommend 120mm cooler master fans as well, if you check amazon, I would recommend you get the cooler master pack of 2 in 1 pack http://www.amazon.com/Coolermaster-R4-L2S..
I hoped this helped you! =D I you need any help, feel free to email me @ naim1203@gmail.com
I know a lot and can help you find the best for cheap!
Yea thanks jack I'm looking into the 8800 gts right now but as for the processor. I've been researching this dual core vs. quad core for gaming thing and seeing how no games are really made for quad core right now the dual core obviously wins benchmarks.
However will not going with a dual core hinder the performance with games not made for quad core? I know cs 1.6 won't for sure but cod 4 could possibly go down a notch because of this. However this could leave my computer futureproof at the same cost as a dual core.
Also the mobo I'm looking at right now which actually has 2.0 pci-e slots is the ASUS P5N-D
It doesn't mean because games don't require quad core, then you don't buy it. Quad works for many things. If you think about it, it's much faster in everything and when newer games come out some time next year or by the 4th Q of this year, they will require quad and you will already have it. I mean if you make movies, render things, or anything that you want excellence in performance and speed, I suggest you get the quad if you are spending around $240.00.
EVGA 780i, but that is $259.00. AMAZING motherboard. It can hold up to 3-SLI-video cards, and supports a lot more. It's one of the best motherboards out hence the 790i which can only support DDR3 ram which is incredibly expensive. Though, 780i is such a good motherboard, this could honestly last you a life time. As for the 3-way-sli cards, not every card support it. The only cards that I know of that support 3-way-sli are the 8800GTX, and 9800GTX. So if you can't purchase 2 or 3 cards at this moment, later on when you actually need to upgrade, you know you have the right stuff that way you don't have to keep buying newer parts for something you need. You save a lot of money by finding the better parts now than later.
What I like to do is choose one company, and buy a compination of things that way they are fully compatible, and work much better in performance. My gig now is:
- Corsair XMS 2x2GB= 4GB (which later on if I wanted to maximize my motherboard capability of ram, I would get another 2x 4GB and that way I would have used my 4 spots to their max) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp..
- Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp.. For this baby's performance, this price is nothing! That is why I bought it, but hopefully some time next year I am looking forward to upgrading to the quad or extreme. For example, my motherboard the 780i supports the quads, extreme, and all of that up to 1333FSB, so if I wanted to upgrade later, I have the option to upgrade only the processor, or the video card. If you make wise choices now, it will be much easier for you later on to upgrade.
When I bought all of my parts earlier this year, they all had free shipping and a 2 rebates on the ram and the 8800GTS which I first had then stepped it up with EVGA for a $45.00 difference for the 9800GTX at retail price. When Ibought everything, the EVGA 780i and 8800GTS had just come out, so I was pretty surprised to have spend almost $850 on everything which is quite more now because it has been a while since they have came out, but they are still worth it.
dude, PCI-E 2.0 slots (and cards) are backwards compatible, so don't let that change your decision on a motherboard. also, PCI-E 2.0 (at the moment) offers no considerable increase in performance compared to PCI-E 1.1, due to the fact that the interface and speed between GPU and motherboard is not the limiting factor.
don't bother with a stupid tri-sli board if you're on a budget. go for something cheaper (P35 chipset or X38 maybe), get one good card, and a good processor. if you game on high resolutions, then consider SLI. but remember, one better card almost always outperforms two cheaper cards. SLI does not have anywhere near a 100% increase if you have 2 of the same card as compared to just 1.
It is a fact that 3x 9800GTX is 250% better in performance from the 9800GX2. I have spoken with EVGA faculty and have told me such information.
And I did not tell him to purchase all of these parts, I was only suggesting that way he has more open options; and in case he wanted to wait out and get a bit more bucks for these parts.
And what I was trying to explain is that I understand that most of these parts are not needed for things right now, but they will very soon and you wont have to upgrade if you had to because you already have them. And you don't have to upgrade because any of his choices would still workat good performance, but it's only options.
I agree on the resolution part that if you play on higher res, you should get sli cards and better cards, but you never know when you actually need these cards and not only for high res and games that need high performance.
Alright guys. I know what jack is telling me and that is to future proof my system so i don't need to build a new one when i want to upgrade. The only thing I was thinking about is the e8400 > q6600 in most games at the moment. However many games in the future will take advantage of the Quad cores and it won't give a very big decrease in the games I play now. So based on me thinking this out I think it is safe to go with a Q6600.
Still unsure however, since the mobo will be the heart of this beast for many years, what mobo I should get. And don't worry I'm not so much of a graphics enthusiast but it is nice to see some detail here and there.
Honestly I play cs 1.6 right now on my eMachines 800 x 600 dxlevel 7 at around 40 fps avg. Trust me seeing COD 4 or even Crysis on 1024x768 on medium might be fine to settle my urge for details.
But Quad Core does seem like an advantage to have to futureproof my system. So overall I just want a system that can preform 80 fps + on most games but I like staying with the cod community so something that will be able to run cod 6 (5 will most likely be terrible , facking treyarch).
I know what raid 0 is but it's performance increase isn't really going to be noticable to me. 250 is fine for now as I'd add more in the future if needed.
Get the DS3L and a q6600. Also get an 8800 GTS 512. Q6600 OC's VERY EASILY. I never OCed before and I got mine to 3.5GHz on air cooling. The DS3L is supposed to be a very good OCer Mobo.
My new PC
OCZ Platinum XTC REV.2 PC2-6400 2GB 2X1GB DDR2-800 CL4-4-4-15 240PIN DIMM Dual Channel Memory Kit (http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?s.. $80
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 250GB SATA2 8.5MS 7200RPM 16MB Cache Hard Drive 5YR MFR Warranty (http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?s.. $66
Gigabyte EP35-DS3R ATX LGA775 P35 1600OC FSB DDR2 1200OC 1PCI-E16 SATA RAID Sound GLAN Motherboard
(http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?s.. $139
EVGA E-GEFORCE 9600GT Superclocked 675MHZ 512MB 1.8GHZ DDR3 PCI-E Dual DVI-I HDTV Out Video Card
(http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?s.. $190
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Dual Core Processor LGA775 3.0GHZ Wolfdale 1333FSB 6MB Retail
(http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?s.. $240
Apevia Black/Black X-Plorer ATX Mid-Tower Case with Clear Side, Fan Controller, Front USB and Firewire Port, PowerUp 800-Watt PSU
(http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/S.. $147
Total cost - 850$ without taxes or shipping. Any changes needed? I know the video card I could change from a 9600 to a 8800 .
also i would go for a different case. either the antec p180 or the lian li pc-7b with the corshair 520hx or the antec trio 650 watt power supply.
not an 8800
that one good for an 8800 its even cheaper than the 9600 after mail-ins.
its all ok... but I think u sould get some mobo with pci-e 2.0
just a sugestion
As for the Case + PSU bundles, I wouldn't trust a prebundled PSU, so instead invest in a Corsair and a cheaper case, such as the ULTRA E-Torque (http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/S.. Great simple, toolless case I've used for two of my builds.
No idea which power supply though. Also would the mobo I have be a good fit with a pci-e 2.0 card such as the EVGA 8800 GT on TigerDirect for 159$?
check out this ram before you get yours:
4gb (CORSAIR XMS 2) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp.. (5-5-5 timing)
or (4-4-4 timing) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp.. a little bit higher in price b/c the cas latency is low, but it isn't a big deal from 5-5-5, trust me. I bought this ram a while back, and it came out to $84.00 with rebate! they put the price up though, it's still worth it I can tell you that much. And instead of having 2GB, you will have 4GB.
The dominator series of CORSAIR are amazing!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp.. (they are pricey, but much faster)
About the processor:
Now about the processor, yours is $240.00, but if you are going to spend that much, why not spend just a tiny bit more for the quad? Trust me, you will not be disappointed.
Any of these will do! I suggest the Core 2 Quad Q6700 Kentsfield 2.66GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 95W or Core 2 Quad Q9300 Yorkfield 2.5GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 95W, but it is completey up to how much you can spend.
Core 2 Quad Q9300 Yorkfield 2.5GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 95W: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp..
Core 2 Quad Q6700 Kentsfield 2.66GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 95W: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp..
Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp.. (CHEAPER THAN THE ONE YOU ARE BUYING BY $20.00)
About the video card:
Well the 9600GT is great and all, but not for most things. You might want to take a look in to the 8800GTS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp.. (it's a couple of bucks more, but with the rebate, it's only $24.00 more which isn't bad at all. Very good card, I would recommend the 9800GTX http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp.. , but it's a little pricey for you.
I believe any of them are a better deal because you also get free shipping as well! Look for free shipping, it really helps you :D.
About the case:
I would recommend a full tower, they are big, but a lot of them have excellent air flow, cooling, and all of that. They can last you a any upgrades you want to do later on, as much parts as you want to put inside, and a life time. Now I would recommend coolermaster, but most of their mid tower cases aren't as good, but they have excellent full tower cases, in which they are very pricey, but definitely worth it. Now I will show you which full tower cases I recommend, and I'm sure you will be surprised by the prices.
First, here is an excellent mid tower case: The Antec 900: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp.. ($140.00 + $21 shipping)
The Full towers I recommend:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp..
Now about the last two, to actually use them to their fullest potential, you will have to spend extra bucks for 120mm fans for the side and 1 on top. I use to have this case, it's amazing. Beautifully made, a lot of room, excellent air flow, computer never heated, and it's just exhilirating over all. I would recommend 120mm cooler master fans as well, if you check amazon, I would recommend you get the cooler master pack of 2 in 1 pack http://www.amazon.com/Coolermaster-R4-L2S..
I hoped this helped you! =D I you need any help, feel free to email me @ naim1203@gmail.com
I know a lot and can help you find the best for cheap!
However will not going with a dual core hinder the performance with games not made for quad core? I know cs 1.6 won't for sure but cod 4 could possibly go down a notch because of this. However this could leave my computer futureproof at the same cost as a dual core.
Also the mobo I'm looking at right now which actually has 2.0 pci-e slots is the ASUS P5N-D
EVGA 780i, but that is $259.00. AMAZING motherboard. It can hold up to 3-SLI-video cards, and supports a lot more. It's one of the best motherboards out hence the 790i which can only support DDR3 ram which is incredibly expensive. Though, 780i is such a good motherboard, this could honestly last you a life time. As for the 3-way-sli cards, not every card support it. The only cards that I know of that support 3-way-sli are the 8800GTX, and 9800GTX. So if you can't purchase 2 or 3 cards at this moment, later on when you actually need to upgrade, you know you have the right stuff that way you don't have to keep buying newer parts for something you need. You save a lot of money by finding the better parts now than later.
What I like to do is choose one company, and buy a compination of things that way they are fully compatible, and work much better in performance. My gig now is:
- EVGA 780i http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp..
- EVGA 9800GTX 512MB http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp..
- Corsair XMS 2x2GB= 4GB (which later on if I wanted to maximize my motherboard capability of ram, I would get another 2x 4GB and that way I would have used my 4 spots to their max) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp..
- Seagate 250 16mb http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp..
- Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp..
For this baby's performance, this price is nothing! That is why I bought it, but hopefully some time next year I am looking forward to upgrading to the quad or extreme.
For example, my motherboard the 780i supports the quads, extreme, and all of that up to 1333FSB, so if I wanted to upgrade later, I have the option to upgrade only the processor, or the video card. If you make wise choices now, it will be much easier for you later on to upgrade.
EVGA 780i: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp..
Check the specs out, amazing I tell ya :D
When I bought all of my parts earlier this year, they all had free shipping and a 2 rebates on the ram and the 8800GTS which I first had then stepped it up with EVGA for a $45.00 difference for the 9800GTX at retail price. When Ibought everything, the EVGA 780i and 8800GTS had just come out, so I was pretty surprised to have spend almost $850 on everything which is quite more now because it has been a while since they have came out, but they are still worth it.
don't bother with a stupid tri-sli board if you're on a budget. go for something cheaper (P35 chipset or X38 maybe), get one good card, and a good processor. if you game on high resolutions, then consider SLI. but remember, one better card almost always outperforms two cheaper cards. SLI does not have anywhere near a 100% increase if you have 2 of the same card as compared to just 1.
It is a fact that 3x 9800GTX is 250% better in performance from the 9800GX2. I have spoken with EVGA faculty and have told me such information.
And I did not tell him to purchase all of these parts, I was only suggesting that way he has more open options; and in case he wanted to wait out and get a bit more bucks for these parts.
And what I was trying to explain is that I understand that most of these parts are not needed for things right now, but they will very soon and you wont have to upgrade if you had to because you already have them. And you don't have to upgrade because any of his choices would still workat good performance, but it's only options.
I agree on the resolution part that if you play on higher res, you should get sli cards and better cards, but you never know when you actually need these cards and not only for high res and games that need high performance.
#19 you seriously need to do some research. Keep in mind the EVGA faculty were trying to sell you as much as possible.
#18 speaks truth.
Still unsure however, since the mobo will be the heart of this beast for many years, what mobo I should get. And don't worry I'm not so much of a graphics enthusiast but it is nice to see some detail here and there.
Honestly I play cs 1.6 right now on my eMachines 800 x 600 dxlevel 7 at around 40 fps avg. Trust me seeing COD 4 or even Crysis on 1024x768 on medium might be fine to settle my urge for details.
But Quad Core does seem like an advantage to have to futureproof my system. So overall I just want a system that can preform 80 fps + on most games but I like staying with the cod community so something that will be able to run cod 6 (5 will most likely be terrible , facking treyarch).
the original system you posted was great except:
dont buy bundled case/psu.. the case might be ok but the power supply is 99% of the time crap.
buy yourself a nice case and a quality psu separately.
if you dont know what RAID is or you dont need it.. get the DS3L motherboard, save the money.
250GB is a pretty small HD these days, but that depends on what you do with your comp. (I personally wouldnt get anything smaller than 500GB)
9600GT/8800GT will be fine for any games you'll playing in the near future.
edit: Don't forget a DVD burner.
it have a good price and can perform well I made a post for this mobo look at this :
http://hardware.gotfrag.com/portal/forums..
hope u enjoy it btw here is a review from this mobo:
http://www.motherboards.org/reviews/mothe..