Sorry for annoying you to death, but I simply can't find anything on the web about this.
DPI(CPI) = More accuracy + More sensitivity, but ppl say it shouldn't be over your Resolution.
I currently own an Ikari Laser so I have the luck to modify its CPI values to whatever I want.
So the question is, what CPI is needed for 800*600 resolution (CS 1.6 speaking)? 600 CPI or 800 CPI? For example someone who plays at 640*480 should play at 400 CPI and not 600 CPI ? Maybe I should stay with 400 CPI that most competitive gamers use? (but most of them play at 640*480, and I want my eyes)
#2 is totally right, but as a general estimate for very low resolutions you don't need a lot of DPI.
I play at 800x600, my deathadder is at 1800 DPI but 3/11 windows makes it equivalent to 450 DPI, which is close to the microsoft mouses that most pro's have been using for so long.
#1 dpi(cpi) doesn't mean anything, infact, just as steelseries have said: its a commercial concept designed for marketing purposes. all it means is that the mouse's default sensitivity is higher. yet, a higher default sensitivity does not mean more accuracy.
i should mention that laser mice perform better on high sensitivities, and optical mice better on low sensitivites. i suppose you can compare this to crt monitors, which are great at low resolutions however lack refresh rate at higher resolutions and lcd monitors, which are great at high resolutions but perform very poorly at low resolutions.
as far as the whole sensitivity/resolution correlation thing goes, its extremely simple. you dont want to have high dpi (or if you do, you want to lower your windows sensitivity) so that the cursor on your desktop doesn't constantly hit the edges of your screen which will mess with your ingame tracking if youre playing 1.6 for example. in other words, you do not want your windows sensitivity to be substantially higher than your ingame sensitivity simply to prevent skipping.
now that i got that out of the way let me try to explain why most top players play on 640x480, this is also very simple. the closer a person sees something, the faster they react to it, and the lower your resolution, the closer you see something.
i would say an ideal dpi setting is 800, and the ideal resolution is 1280x1024 (lcd native resolution) this way youre also set for the future. however, i cant really tell you what to use because it all boils down to preference.
#5 this calculator is SHIT! Cs sensitivity 1 is not equal to sensitivity in windows, because m_pitch and m_yaw reduce sens (default 0.022) IMHO sens ~4.5 is equal to sens is windows
IMHO for cs best DPI (cpi) is 300-500, win sens default, ingame sens 2.5 - 4.5, accel off and resolution 640x480 - 1024x768 with max monitor Hz
#2 The link was very useful, but didn't actually cover everything, I still don't know the exact counter and many details needed.
#3 Many "pros" say that it is best to use DA @ Default DPI, but not any other mice, that's odd.. (I do have DA too)
#4 I must dissagree with you, 400 CPI & 800*600 @ 3.2 Sens should feel the same with 800 CPI & 1.6 Sens while it feels the same @ 1.3 Sens. Plus, when i use 400 CPI & 640*480 @ 3.2 Sens it feels just like 800 CPI & 1.6 Sens, while it shouldn't. This clearly shows an affect with resolution. Plus, Competitive Gamers prefer lower resolutions @ CS 1.6 in particular because of the Model Size & HitBox, and the matters you've mentioned, but it might also have effects on DPI, since if you play with 640*480 your percision is much better with a 400 DPI mouse.. This is odd, isn't it?
5# The calculator isn't exact or the resolutions affect sensitivity, like refresh rate does.
6# I have seen m_pitch and m_yaw, but I clearly have no clue of their affects.
Thank you all for your answers, you are all welcome to elaborate,
QUOTE:since if you play with 640*480 your percision is much better with a 400 DPI mouse.. This is odd, isn't it?
ill try to explain it once more. lower resolution = higher sensitivity hence if youre using the following setup lets just say: 400dpi mouse, 6/11 windows, default ingame, 640x480 the sensitivity is going to be lower if you switch it to: 400 dpi mouse, 6/11 windows, default ingame, 1280x1024
p.s. the best settings for the deathadder are 1800dpi / 1000hertz (i suggest you change your windows sensitivity to 3/11 to bring it to 450dpi)
now, the main reason why you want to lower your windows sensitivity as opposed to just drastically lowering your ingame sensitivity is as i stated before, to prevent from skipping as your desktop cursor will constantly be hitting the edges of your screen.
not really sure what you were trying to say in the rest of the post :(
DPI = Dots per Inch More DPI = Better resolution for ur mouse. Less DPI = lower resolution for your mouse.
The difference between HIGH & LOW DPI:
Low DPI means less dots/pixels for your mouse. If u move your mouse almost nothing, your cursor will not move at all, eaven at HIGH sensitivites.
High DPI means more dots/pixels for your mouse. If you move your mouse almost nothing, your cursor will move those "small" millimeters.(whitch LOW DPI will not scan - because of "bigger pixels")
The lower the DPI, the more u have to move ur mouse to show on ur screen that u actually are moving the cursor. JUST TRY IT!
Razer Deathadder / fUnc F-30.R / DELL XPS M1730 / IQ: 135 / BUT: FAMILY COMES FIRST!
#10 still dont know exactly what youre trying to say, however, i should mention that not all mice perform best at their highest dpi settings. the deathadder is actually a rare exception. http://www.esreality.com/files/placeimage..
generally speaking, the hertz are what improves the performance of a mouse. infact, the mx518 is actually the best mouse on the market @ 400dpi, despite the fact that it is an 1800dpi mouse (older version is 1600)
#12 you do realize dpi is a marketing gimmick? steelseries was correct when they established that technically, it doesn't mean anything. (aside from a higher default sensitivity). this being said yes you are right, if you try to get a 400 dpi mouse to track at high sensitivity it will track poorly, just as a high dpi laser mouse (lachesis f.e.) will track extremely poorly on low sensitivities.
infact, every single mouse that i can think of which is over 800dpi is terrible for image editing. lets take the ikari laser f.e. while it is a 3200dpi mouse, the actual sensor is not good at tracking as it is too jumpy (skips from a series of pixels to another series of pixels instead of tracking on a pixel-by-pixel basis). this holds true at low dpi settings for the mouse as well as high dpi settings. here is an example of what i mean: http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/09/18/revi..
my imo 1.1ss is flawless at precise tracking, and it is a 400 dpi mouse.
keep in mind, the ikari laser is actually one of the better high dpi mice, not to mention virtually the only correctionless high dpi mouse.
granted. ive already stated that low dpi mice track poorly at high sensitivities.
#13 I agree with almost everything you have said. :-) BUT there is one thing that I think might confuse people a bit: - The reason Lachesis skips, is not because the DPI is high, it's the sensor that doesn't handle high speed or high accelerations.
Let me give you an example to prove that I'm right: Microsoft are making "Blue Track" mice that has DPI maximums of 4000. (I think the first one is called SideWinder X8) This sensor is supposed to handle much greater accelerations than all other mice, and also handling extremely high speeds. Maximum acceleration: 75g Maximum speed: 120 Inches per second
Razer Deathadder / fUnc F-30.R / DELL XPS M1730 / IQ: 135 / BUT: FAMILY COMES FIRST!
This is stupid. Ikari Laser feels too damn weird when changing CPI settings(400 is weird, 800 skips or whatever), Ikari Optical has too much lift distance, DA gives me streight lines, Intelli 3.0 needs 500HZ overclock in order to work (which is impossible sometimes at LAN tours and for my Vista), MX518 can work without overclock but it is making weirdy streight lines sometimes and any other mouse on the market is far too damn crappy.
What the hell am I suppose to do, I'm sick of this, I've spented so much money for nothing. Why the hell is it so hard to create a mouse which is based on the "classic" kings, like Intelli 3.0, by adding all necessary options needed and not overdosing it with useless/pointless/worthless stuff that can after all give you a problem.
#14 bluetrack is actually LED technology, hence optical, theyre simply not calling it optical for marketing purposes.
#16 i have no problems overclocking mice on vista ultimate. just go with one of the classic choices (wmo, imo, omb or ime), overall its just a mouse, all you want it to do is graph your motion thats all.
#17 Nittnaus According to you: All new mice are superficial bullshit? -"-: All news are marketing purposes? = Just fake hardware? :P I think you should try them before saying stuff like all news are marketing purposes, and not achknowledging the POSITIVE facts.
The Deathadder works brilliantly better than most mice, and the Sidewinder X8 is an upgrade!
This comment was edited at 11/12/2008 12:37 PM
Razer Deathadder / fUnc F-30.R / DELL XPS M1730 / IQ: 135 / BUT: FAMILY COMES FIRST!
QUOTE:According to you: All new mice are superficial bullshit? -"-: All news are marketing purposes? = Just fake hardware? :P
I didnt say that at all, I simply said dpi is a marketing gimmick.
While I do agree that most new mice are garbage, this isn't because theyre new. In fact, most mice are period are garbage.
I agree the deathadder does work great, look at the esreality link I posted in this thread. The only preference problem Ive had with it was it being too heavy (weight simply takes away reaction, yes I know its a miniscule issue however its still there :D) This being said I have to say I love the avago 3688 sensor in the deathadder. Its definitely a beast for fps games.
im looking forward to the salmosa but im in no hurry to get it :P
#20 hidusbf worked fine for me on vista ultimate, ive overclocked the following mice with it: 3.0, omb, imo 1.1ss, wmo an mx300
supposedly it is not allowed at major events, however, i have yet to hear of this being an issue to be honest. for small tournies you should be more worried about not being allowed to use vent :D
I'm owning a lachesis for some months, and I have some trouble to setting it perfectly. I'm using at the moment the settings below : Windows Sens : 2/11, 4000 DPI, in-game sens at 4.4
Since I heard low dpi would be better for low sens as i seem to use, I'm wondering how to configure it better in matter of precision. I'd like to have your suggestions. Btw, is the windows sens better default 6/11 than 2/11 ? or it doesnt matter ? Thanks for future answers.
Mouse DPI(CPI)&Resolution?
DPI(CPI) = More accuracy + More sensitivity, but ppl say it shouldn't be over your Resolution.
I currently own an Ikari Laser so I have the luck to modify its CPI values to whatever I want.
So the question is, what CPI is needed for 800*600 resolution (CS 1.6 speaking)? 600 CPI or 800 CPI? For example someone who plays at 640*480 should play at 400 CPI and not 600 CPI ? Maybe I should stay with 400 CPI that most competitive gamers use? (but most of them play at 640*480, and I want my eyes)
Anyone having any ideas?*begs*
you should probably read this entire article
I play at 800x600, my deathadder is at 1800 DPI but 3/11 windows makes it equivalent to 450 DPI, which is close to the microsoft mouses that most pro's have been using for so long.
dpi(cpi) doesn't mean anything, infact, just as steelseries have said: its a commercial concept designed for marketing purposes. all it means is that the mouse's default sensitivity is higher. yet, a higher default sensitivity does not mean more accuracy.
i should mention that laser mice perform better on high sensitivities, and optical mice better on low sensitivites. i suppose you can compare this to crt monitors, which are great at low resolutions however lack refresh rate at higher resolutions and lcd monitors, which are great at high resolutions but perform very poorly at low resolutions.
as far as the whole sensitivity/resolution correlation thing goes, its extremely simple. you dont want to have high dpi (or if you do, you want to lower your windows sensitivity) so that the cursor on your desktop doesn't constantly hit the edges of your screen which will mess with your ingame tracking if youre playing 1.6 for example. in other words, you do not want your windows sensitivity to be substantially higher than your ingame sensitivity simply to prevent skipping.
now that i got that out of the way let me try to explain why most top players play on 640x480, this is also very simple. the closer a person sees something, the faster they react to it, and the lower your resolution, the closer you see something.
i would say an ideal dpi setting is 800, and the ideal resolution is 1280x1024 (lcd native resolution) this way youre also set for the future. however, i cant really tell you what to use because it all boils down to preference.
IMHO for cs best DPI (cpi) is 300-500, win sens default, ingame sens 2.5 - 4.5, accel off and resolution 640x480 - 1024x768 with max monitor Hz
#3 Many "pros" say that it is best to use DA @ Default DPI, but not any other mice, that's odd.. (I do have DA too)
#4 I must dissagree with you, 400 CPI & 800*600 @ 3.2 Sens should feel the same with 800 CPI & 1.6 Sens while it feels the same @ 1.3 Sens. Plus, when i use 400 CPI & 640*480 @ 3.2 Sens it feels just like 800 CPI & 1.6 Sens, while it shouldn't. This clearly shows an affect with resolution. Plus, Competitive Gamers prefer lower resolutions @ CS 1.6 in particular because of the Model Size & HitBox, and the matters you've mentioned, but it might also have effects on DPI, since if you play with 640*480 your percision is much better with a 400 DPI mouse.. This is odd, isn't it?
5# The calculator isn't exact or the resolutions affect sensitivity, like refresh rate does.
6# I have seen m_pitch and m_yaw, but I clearly have no clue of their affects.
Thank you all for your answers, you are all welcome to elaborate,
ill try to explain it once more.
lower resolution = higher sensitivity
hence if youre using the following setup lets just say:
400dpi mouse, 6/11 windows, default ingame, 640x480
the sensitivity is going to be lower if you switch it to:
400 dpi mouse, 6/11 windows, default ingame, 1280x1024
p.s.
the best settings for the deathadder are 1800dpi / 1000hertz (i suggest you change your windows sensitivity to 3/11 to bring it to 450dpi)
now, the main reason why you want to lower your windows sensitivity as opposed to just drastically lowering your ingame sensitivity is as i stated before, to prevent from skipping as your desktop cursor will constantly be hitting the edges of your screen.
not really sure what you were trying to say in the rest of the post :(
Are you certain that what you support is correct?
The mouse feels terribly different when I change CPI, it seems it is more than that.
Maybe the mouse sucks?
Deathadder feels weird too sometimes when I switch CPI & Hertz, while Intelli 3.0 doesn't.
DPI = Dots per Inch
More DPI = Better resolution for ur mouse.
Less DPI = lower resolution for your mouse.
The difference between HIGH & LOW DPI:
Low DPI means less dots/pixels for your mouse. If u move your mouse almost nothing, your cursor will not move at all, eaven at HIGH sensitivites.
High DPI means more dots/pixels for your mouse. If you move your mouse almost nothing, your cursor will move those "small" millimeters.(whitch LOW DPI will not scan - because of "bigger pixels")
The lower the DPI, the more u have to move ur mouse to show on ur screen that u actually are moving the cursor. JUST TRY IT!
I.m.o.: I think you are wrong when you say that CPI/DPI doesn't mean anything.
DPI/CPI is all about the mouse's RESOLUTION/PIXEL AMOUNT.
still dont know exactly what youre trying to say, however, i should mention that not all mice perform best at their highest dpi settings.
the deathadder is actually a rare exception.
http://www.esreality.com/files/placeimage..
generally speaking, the hertz are what improves the performance of a mouse.
infact, the mx518 is actually the best mouse on the market @ 400dpi, despite the fact that it is an 1800dpi mouse (older version is 1600)
#12
you do realize dpi is a marketing gimmick?
steelseries was correct when they established that technically, it doesn't mean anything. (aside from a higher default sensitivity). this being said yes you are right, if you try to get a 400 dpi mouse to track at high sensitivity it will track poorly, just as a high dpi laser mouse (lachesis f.e.) will track extremely poorly on low sensitivities.
infact, every single mouse that i can think of which is over 800dpi is terrible for image editing.
lets take the ikari laser f.e. while it is a 3200dpi mouse, the actual sensor is not good at tracking as it is too jumpy (skips from a series of pixels to another series of pixels instead of tracking on a pixel-by-pixel basis). this holds true at low dpi settings for the mouse as well as high dpi settings.
here is an example of what i mean:
http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/09/18/revi..
my imo 1.1ss is flawless at precise tracking, and it is a 400 dpi mouse.
keep in mind, the ikari laser is actually one of the better high dpi mice, not to mention virtually the only correctionless high dpi mouse.
granted. ive already stated that low dpi mice track poorly at high sensitivities.
I agree with almost everything you have said. :-)
BUT there is one thing that I think might confuse people a bit:
- The reason Lachesis skips, is not because the DPI is high, it's the sensor that doesn't handle high speed or high accelerations.
Let me give you an example to prove that I'm right:
Microsoft are making "Blue Track" mice that has DPI maximums of 4000. (I think the first one is called SideWinder X8) This sensor is supposed to handle much greater accelerations than all other mice, and also handling extremely high speeds.
Maximum acceleration: 75g
Maximum speed: 120 Inches per second
What the hell am I suppose to do, I'm sick of this, I've spented so much money for nothing. Why the hell is it so hard to create a mouse which is based on the "classic" kings, like Intelli 3.0, by adding all necessary options needed and not overdosing it with useless/pointless/worthless stuff that can after all give you a problem.
bluetrack is actually LED technology, hence optical, theyre simply not calling it optical for marketing purposes.
#16
i have no problems overclocking mice on vista ultimate. just go with one of the classic choices (wmo, imo, omb or ime), overall its just a mouse, all you want it to do is graph your motion thats all.
That means that I am right. :-)
According to you: All new mice are superficial bullshit?
-"-: All news are marketing purposes? = Just fake hardware? :P
I think you should try them before saying stuff like all news are marketing purposes, and not achknowledging the POSITIVE facts.
The Deathadder works brilliantly better than most mice, and the Sidewinder X8 is an upgrade!
BTW it is not always acceptable on LAN tours :S
I didnt say that at all, I simply said dpi is a marketing gimmick.
While I do agree that most new mice are garbage, this isn't because theyre new. In fact, most mice are period are garbage.
I agree the deathadder does work great, look at the esreality link I posted in this thread.
The only preference problem Ive had with it was it being too heavy (weight simply takes away reaction, yes I know its a miniscule issue however its still there :D) This being said I have to say I love the avago 3688 sensor in the deathadder. Its definitely a beast for fps games.
f.e. the deathadder has been the only mouse where I could consistently get over 75 in this game
http://www.reflextest.net/reaction/letter.htm
just to give you an example
im looking forward to the salmosa but im in no hurry to get it :P
#20
hidusbf worked fine for me on vista ultimate, ive overclocked the following mice with it:
3.0, omb, imo 1.1ss, wmo an mx300
supposedly it is not allowed at major events, however, i have yet to hear of this being an issue to be honest. for small tournies you should be more worried about not being allowed to use vent :D
I'm owning a lachesis for some months, and I have some trouble to setting it perfectly. I'm using at the moment the settings below : Windows Sens : 2/11, 4000 DPI, in-game sens at 4.4
Since I heard low dpi would be better for low sens as i seem to use, I'm wondering how to configure it better in matter of precision. I'd like to have your suggestions. Btw, is the windows sens better default 6/11 than 2/11 ? or it doesnt matter ? Thanks for future answers.
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