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FPSLabs Home: AMD 4x4 Technology Analysis

By: Christian Koebel - Published November 16, 2006 at 3:33 AM EST - Writer Archive
AMD's aim for their new 4x4 platform is to bring them back in contention with Intel. Will they succeed? Will they fail? Here is an explanation of the 4x4 platform so you can know what to expect.


Platform
The processors themselves in the 4x4 system are slightly modified Socket 1207 AMD Opterons. According to current reports, their memory controller is designed to accept non-ECC/non-registered memory, which reduces fault tolerance, but it also increases overall system speed. The need for registered RAM was one of the pitfalls of the first generation FX-51/FX-53, since this type of RAM is slower and more expensive. This still holds true today, so the move to make it compatible with unregistered RAM is defiantly an enthusiast/power-user bonus; it also won’t break your wallet. So this sounds like a typical Athlon 64, why not make it AM2? Mainly, AM2 fundamentally isn’t designed for two chips. Socket 1207 has all the proper pins in place (and many more than won’t even be used!) for a processor capable of interfacing with its chipset, its memory, and its twin processor. Additionally, it has been rumored that AMD had a heck of a time convincing motherboard manufacturers to create a dual socket AM2 board from the ground up, so they’re going with a slight modification on the socket 1207 boards that are already tried and proven. The processors, as they’re currently SKU’d, will be called the FX-70, FX-72, and FX-74. Each item will come as two processors in one box so there’s no need to order two. The highest model FX-74, will be two 3.0GHz/1MB cache dual core processors, for a total processing power of 12GHz/4MB cache. Though originally slated at $1500ish, recent reports say that AMD has reduced that price to $999 to compete directly with the new Intel QX6700 Kentsfield. Each will have two dedicated HyperTransport links; one to its memory bank, and one to the other processor. According to AMD documents, they will share an interconnect to the chipset. While the processors are certainly important, that’s only half the system.

Now let’s turn to the chipset behind it
For the launch of 4x4, AMD has turned to NVIDIA, oddly enough, to supply a chipset. Not a whole lot is officially known about this chipest, but rumors and “leaked” information from AMD do exist. For starters, it will be called the nForce 680a. The basic premise is that it is a Northbridge/Southbridge design, and each of the chips is actually an nForce 590 SLI chip with an extra connection so that they can interface together. Ironically, this implementation is yet another doubling-up that this platform is using. The two chip design does what you’d expect it to do; it doubles the specifications of the nForce 590. It will offer four Gigabit ethernet ports as well as a dedicated network processing chip so that it can act as its own router, for starters. While the network processing won’t be on par with the overpriced KillerNIC we reviewed earlier, it’s reasonable to expect it to perform better than most onboard network devices found elsewhere. The chipset will also offer 4 PCI-E graphics slots, two of which run at x16 and two that run at x8. We are not sure as to why they’re not all running at x16 since it’s just a combination of two nForce 590 SLI chips, but there’s probably some good reason, such as the ridiculous amount of wiring 64 PCI-E lanes would require on a motherboard. Moving right along, another offering will be 12 (that’s TWELVE) SATA ports, divided up into batteries of 6. Each will have its own nForce 5-series RAID 0/1/5/50 controller. OK, so you’d have to be pretty friggen' nuts to run 12 hard drives, but then again, it is a possibility. I personally run 8, which would put me beyond the means of many current nForce boards, but this guy would be perfect. It is unknown if the two groups of six have any ability to interface with each other, but if they could, that would be an additional bonus. All the other nifty features that we love about the nForce 5 series will be there as well.

Gaming Advantages
Due to the unpredictable nature of how games benchmark on various platforms, this section is completely speculative. Our review of Intel's Kentsfield showed that quad core computing doesn’t do much of anything for the majority of games out there. Of course, this isn’t much of a surprise to many of us who have been following hardware for a while, since games that use dual cores aren’t even common yet. One factor that is missed, though, is that Windows Vista will soon be the operating system standard. Vista is much more friendly to multi-core computing, and we might actually begin to see major advantages from quad cores. Even though the 4x4 will house two chips on two completely separate sockets, they will be able to exchange information through the extremely zippy HyperTransport connection. Fast movement of data between cores is a must for gaming; it’s one of the reasons why the native dual core AMD was so much more powerful than the non-native Pentium D. The main fault of the Pentium D processor was that it simply couldn’t move the information between cores fast enough. We feel that once a game and operating system are well suited to function in a 4 core environment, a 4x4 system will be cutting edge. Seeing as this is a gaming site, we wish we could say more about the gaming aspect of this platform, but honestly, there’s nothing more to be said until games and operating systems evolve.

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leet
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I have a good feeling AMD will come out on top with this ... their athlon64's kicked serious ass.. and still do. rockin' my 3700+ still. with vista and DX10 games out before this they should be used to their full potential, unlike the Kentsfield is right now with gaming...

funny AMD turned to nvidia to launch their 4x4 when they just bought ATI hehe, but i can see why, nvidia has a lot more experience with motherboards.

That picture of the 4 PCI-E slot mobo has ONE PCI slot.. lol.. hopefully soundcards start being made for PCI-E soon...

I hope this mobo is E-ATX... i like big cases myself.
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thats crazy but the power consumption seems like a big downside.
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yeah, pretty soon, a 1000watt psu will have to be standard. sucks... there goes my house's electricity bill.

why cant they just make 4x4 in one processor chip, instead of 2. Now that means buying 2 cpu heatsink/fans.

so, when are 10-core based cpu's going to come out. technology moves faster everyday. =[
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seems like a little overkill tbh :D
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OMG...I consider myself an AMD fanboy but this doesn't sound exactly great. FOUR network ports? TWELF sata ports? How do you want to install a proper HSF on that thing with 4 DIMMs between the sockets?
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lol, I'm pretty sure if you can afford something like that system, you can afford paying the electricity bill.
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I believe you are referring to the dual-core Windsor FX and NOT the true 4x4, Agena which has a 65nm process and true quad-core socket. The Agena is roadmapped to both a regular Agena (AM2+ socket, quadcore, non-4x4) and Agena FX (1207+ socket, quadcore, 4x4).

Reference: http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/3032_l..

This comment was edited at 11/17/2006 10:57 AM
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they Windsor processors will still be solid under the 4x4 moniker, referring to the 4 cores and 4 pci-e graphics slots. But it is true that it won't live up to the name until they quad core processors come out. This article was mainly talking about the plaform in general, which is a dual processor gaming platform, something that hasn't been seen in a long long time. However, AMD is still maintaining that their 4x4 mobos will be compatible with quad cores, even though they use HT 3.0.
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I agree with it being overkill. The power will be a major issue. I wouldn't mind having it though, not gonna lie. Does this mean dual cores will be even cheaper now :)! That's what i'm talkin about.
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I think to an enthusiast the challenge in keeping a set-up like this cools is a good thing. I know I run water cooled solutions, and I play around with liquid nitrogen set-ups to keep things cool. Added power consumption is going to happen I don’t see the drawback to having a 1000W power supply. Obviously if you can afford a set-up like this you can afford the extra power usage for the performance. (Same deal as high octane gas.)
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oh god ...
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This is such over kill. Hardware is so far ahead of software its not even funny...
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all i know that intel will always be one step ahead of AMD.
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hmm ... a lot of power right there .. and heat oo
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14, you do realize that AMD was a step ahead of intel for two years, right?
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schweet.
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The 4x4 is a joke. I saw it in person at gforce3 lan last month. The guy pictured here: http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/11/30/amd_nat.. was retarded when he gave his speech at the lan. It's kinda sad i've been using amd for years but I'm switching to intel now. AMDs overclock like S**T and even if you do get a good chip it still isnt going to get more than 20-25%. You can get a conroe right now and oc that thing 40-50% on SH***Y water cooling. Ontop that you don't need to install 2-3 things just to get it to work properly with most games. Kinda tired of all the socket changes in since the a64 came out. Up to what almost 4 now? Intel finally got their S**T together.
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