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FPSLabs Home: Radeon HD 2900XT 1GB – R600 Done Right?

By: Thomas Gribble - Published June 26, 2007 at 11:12 PM EDT - Writer Archive
Diamond's Viper Radeon HD 2900XT 1024MB GDDR4 graphics card looks to be the final incarnation of ATI's long-awaited R600 core. Does this card have what it takes to overcome NVIDIA's 8800 Ultra?



Despite the utmost attention to detail, meticulous planning, and a positive initial reception from heavy hitters in the industry, product launches in the hardware world don’t always go according to plan. Whether their track record shows it or not, no company is safe from this inevitability. Although it would be oh so fun to go back over the last two years with a fine-toothed comb and point out with a condescending air the product launch failures from companies of all different shapes and sizes, it is far easier and just as meaningful to go back just one year and point out some disappointing releases from a few of the “Big Four” companies in computer hardware. NVIDIA, AMD, ATI, and Intel have, over the past year, not been immune to the poor product launches that so often plague companies with far less experience and resources.

In early November 2006, NVIDIA launched their latest foray into the enthusiast motherboard market with their nForce 680i platform. As the only viable competition to Intel’s rather strong 975X chipset, the nForce 680i would have to be a pretty good product to wrestle away some of Intel’s hold on the LGA775 market. After reviews went up on several prominent hardware websites, it was pretty clear that not only was the nForce 680i a strong product, it seemed to beat the living daylights out of even the very best 975X offerings. However, once the boards based off NVIDIA’s reference design started hitting the market in large quantities, complaints centered around SATA corruption started pouring in. It was not until a few weeks after these problems surfaced that they were fully resolved via BIOS updates, but by then the damage had been done and the nForce 680i chipset had been forever marred by a nasty little flaw that didn’t quite make it into the initial reviews of the product. Although now we can safely say that the 680i platform is the most feature-rich and high-performance LGA775 option on the market, that most certainly was not the case in the weeks after its launch.

The end of November 2006 was about 1 week’s worth of buzz and speculation in hardware forums the world over, and one or two days of mass disappointment. The highly-touted, technically superior, and rather innovative Quad FX platform from AMD launched on November 30,2006 to a pretty substantial thrashing from basically every site AMD chose to sample. The dual-socket, dual-core processor concept was certainly not at the base of the negative discussions, nor was the fact that AMD had delivered on its promise of “..Redefin[ing] High-End Computing for Megatasking Enthusiasts”. Heat dissipation problems, tremendous power consumption, and inferior performance across the board were the main perches from which reviewers hurled their abrasive words unto AMD’s poor Quad FX product. Unfortunately for AMD, a product with all the potential in the world is still a lousy product if its performance is also subpar. Perhaps the only good thing to come out of the Quad FX platform for gamers interested in peak performance is that it makes a wonderful base on which to build a computer that consumes enough power to actually test some of the ultra high output power supplies available on the market these days.

Should our list of hardware manufacturers at the end of the first paragraph be considered prophetic in any way, it would follow that the next company to be stricken by this product launch disease would be ATI. Given that ATI is now a subsidiary of AMD, you might consider any product launch issue it encounters as that of its parent company. However, as certain to-be-unnamed AMD partners have confirmed, we believe that what ATI was working on before the acquisition was their own responsibility and was mostly independent of influence from AMD. We are, of course, talking about the highly-anticipated and rather disappointing debut of the Radeon HD 2900XT R600-based graphics card that took place last month (March 07). Not only did the R600 take many months longer than most of the enthusiast community expected to come to fruition, it didn’t really deliver the hopes and dreams of ATI fans the world over, who expected big red to produce something that would finally end the tyrannical reign of big green on the ultra high-end. There was lots of upheaval in the hardware circles after previews of the card were published. Most people accepted the benchmarks in these previews as somehow biased or based on immature drivers, and said they would wait for full reviews before they passed judgment on the card. While the latter was indeed the case, that did not affect the end result – that the HD 2900XT was by all accounts a video card that failed to usurp NVIDIA’s GeForce 8800GTX, a card that had been dominating the high-end graphics arena for more than 6 months prior.

On June 14th, word came through the pipes that perhaps R600 wasn’t finished yet. AMD/ATI seemed to have one last card to play that would hopefully be what ATI fans everywhere were looking for. The HD 2900XT 1GB GDDR4, called the Diamond Viper Radeon HD 2900XT 1GB GDDR4 – because Diamond Multimedia is the exclusive distributor of the card – brings an extra 512 MB of RAM to the table and upgrades to GDDR4 over GDDR3 from the previous model. Other than that it seems to be about the same card. Does the extra memory make a difference? We take a quick (2 sleepless nights of testing that is) look at this new card in a GotFrag Hardware: Exclusive Review.

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"but we prefer the one where Batman swooped in and changed the numbers when we weren’t looking" made me lol. Good review btw!
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8800gtx > hd 2900xt
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Great review...

I believe this ATI card is much better than the new NVIDIA DX10 cards... 2 Reasons.

1. ATI builds cards to last so they have limited series of cards unlike NVIDIA where they have many different versions.

2. Simply put it out performs NVIDIA's 8800 series overall. It's also cheaper.

typo i think

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you don't show the second one

and #3 you obviously didn't read the 10 pages of benchmarks, ATI fanboy
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#3 - You sure about that?

I don't consider myself a fanboy of either, but for some reason NVIDIA has definitely stepped it up from my perspective. ATI has delayed this card for so long, now looking at the reviews, I feel that the HD2900XT's performance is lackluster and definitely should have been quite higher.

Good read and great review nonetheless.

This comment was edited at 06/27/2007 5:20 AM
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Something that almost never gets mentioned anymore, is the overall quality of images from one card to the next. NVidia, as far as my experiences have been, have always seemed to cut graphical corners for Frame Rates. It's usually somewhat small things here and there, but it's noticeable. I don't know about the new cards from NVidia, my current card is still an x850 XT from ATI. But if they genuinely kept up with ATI graphically, I'd be much happier. Though, if you ask me, the overall performance difference seems pretty marginal, I can understand the desire to use a part that's priced the same, and faster. Not everyone is as picky as I am.

Oh, and excellent review, by the way.

This comment was edited at 06/27/2007 5:57 AM
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#6 Like what corners? The fact that you have an X850 suggests to me that you aren't very consumer saavy when it comes to hardware. The X8 series was a test of a new memory framework for ATI. The test was not successful. Consumers ended up paying more for less memory that ended up being less efficient than the 9500 series memory and the 6000 series of Nvidia cards (previous Gens). Tom's Hardware pointed this problem out in an article that actually preceded the release of the cards). Usually, when people have this card, I assume they don't know a lot about computers or consumer reviewing sites.

As for your assertion that Nvidia cuts corners for FPS, the reason that no one mentions it is because there's no real legitimate argument for it: the vast majority of game developers chose Nvidia, and usually this means the games run smoother and often look better on Nvidia cards. Just another ATI fanboi excuse for why the ATI DX10 cards aren't up to par.

As for the article, useful review...a bit late though. This card was thoroughly reviewed by several other sites weeks ago.

Most knowledgable people saw this coming. Historically, Nvidia dominates the early Next Gen cards, then ATI finds ways to tweak and push their framework, or rework it, and dominates the series towards its end. Worked that way with the 6 and 7 series Nvidia cards as well. Buy Nvidia early and ATI later.
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8800 gtx >>>>>>> atx 2900xt
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#7

I will say this...I'm definately not happy with ATI/AMD's performance as of late. But do not forget that x1k series surpassed nvidia's solution at the time, (i.e.; nvidia 7xxx series) and as for x800 series...

I have a x800GTO Fireblade edition. It is certainly outdated, but when I bought it, it routinely beat 6800 series cards, and DECIMATED most 6600 scores, which was its price-competitor. x8xx series FTW. errr...back in '04.

This comment was edited at 06/27/2007 7:29 AM
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NVIDIA BEST OF ALL
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you are really the first to get your hands on that card and write a review about it, aren't you?

anyway, i had higher hopes for it (the card, not your reviewn ;>), although it was unlikely ati could really improve their situation. wether it's a problem with the r600 itself, it's drivers or both, one thing is certain: there is no good reason to buy a 2900xt-card instead of an 8800-card (correct me if i'm wrong).

damn, nvidia (and intel as well, btw) needs some real competition again! :/

This comment was edited at 06/27/2007 8:07 AM
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hmmm I thought this card was supposed to have a core clock of 825 instead of the 740 or whatever it was. So it basically just turned out to be a 2900xt with more memory. The high clock speed would of deffianlty helped it out but now we can only wait for the 2950xt or whatever its going to be called.
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#4 and #5...

Clearly most people who own these cards have higher end processors and these cards work better with higher end AMD and only for a short time Intel processors than NVIDIA... Not to mention there is a HUGE difference in DX9 and DX10 benchmarking, for now DX9 is primary however DX10 is on the rise. Check it out.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/04/24/atis-r..

and I quote "... The Radeon managed to best its opponent in every single trial, including Call of Duty 2, Company of Heroes, F.E.A.R., Oblivion, 3DMark06, Maya 02, Cadalyst C2006, and a few more for good measure."

Personally, I think both cards are SH*T for DX10 style cards, the benchmarks just aren't high enough.

And no I am not an ATI fanboy I just bought a GeForce 7950.

*Edit

You also have to take into consideration that I am talking about the ATI model not the Diamond model. Both have a different build.

This comment was edited at 06/27/2007 10:25 AM

#6 I think it was ATI that was accused of cutting corners to boost scores in synthetic benchmark programs, along with it's A.I. system..
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#4, there was indeed a typo there. Thanks a lot for pointing that out, it is now fixed.

This comment was edited at 06/27/2007 2:54 PM
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What is the Power Comsumption?


I remember reading the original XTX was cancelled because the power consumption was too much. Even now I believe the XT is a power hog. So that is the only thing that is missing from this review.
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#13 First off the article is comparing the 2900 to an 8800 GTS. Second, the article gives no benchmark whatsoever or any links to actual benchmarks other than some link to a preliminary review from January 1st.

Edit - I can't find an actual benchmark anywhere on that website, not even a link to one. They might as well say that the card can grate cheese if they aren't going put up any proof.

This comment was edited at 06/27/2007 3:35 PM
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i dont see how you can say the 2900 is better after reading even the 2nd page of that review. in some cases the CF had its moments, but it was very inconsistent, and for single card results, the GTX dominated.
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#3 ATI fanboy
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nVidia ftw ALWAYS
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The review of the 2900 XT did not fair well at hardocp.

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=M..

essentially this card is on par with GeForce 8800 GTS but it just sucks 100Watts more in power consumption.

This comment was edited at 06/27/2007 7:53 PM
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wow i thought your setup was cpu limited but nm...ati drops the ball just one more time!
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wow, I'm currently too tired to go through this whole review but at first sight, I say have to good job to GFhardware !

We can clearly see that some changes are occuring in the reviews and I think it's great. I like the little details that were thought like the article index and the digg (even if it seems to bug...)
I'm also really impressed on all the cards you managed to test, it's a long way from back then when you guys reviewed the things you bought !

Again, good work on this, and I sure hope things will continue to go so well in here :D

This comment was edited at 06/28/2007 2:47 AM
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What most people are seeming to forget is that the ATi drivers are still new and mainly experimental. Once they release some more updated drivers and finally meet the stability and performance of Nvidia drivers we may see a marked difference in the performance comparisons. That is of course assuming that ATi can actually release a decent set of drivers for once. But, until then Nvidia will reign supreme.
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Very poor preformance on behalf of ATi/AMD.

The fastest card is still Nvidia, but when u compare price/quality the HD 2900XT is the best you can get, its faster then the 8800GTS and cheaper, REAL nice prices for the ati cards and good performance i think i will buy this one.
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8800gtx > x2900 > 8800gts > x1950 >7950 ....that about sums it up. I am neither ati/nvidia fanboy :)
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hmm i just noticed on the front page at the top theres a typo..

Diamond's Viper Radeon HD 28000XT 1GB GDDR4 graphics card reviewed

I always wanted at 28000xt :)
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hrmm i expected better from ati considering the few month delay they put the card
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#26 has it. Thats the best part of the 2900XT, its priced very close to the 8800GTS 640MB, at least the 512MB XT is, and it outperforms the GTS easily.

The main issue it also consumes a lot more power than the GTS too.
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It could be just me,
but it seems like in half the cases that Crossfire actually decreases performance a bit.
(Maybe some extra software layer or something? Don't know the technology)
Or is it that crossfire takes the pci-e down to x8 x8 or something?
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#31 generally that is from driver issues still, or software and what not. Things are still being tweaked on these cards for crossfire
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so for the $$ what is better NVIDIA - ATI
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I would say the HD2900XT 512MB is the best high end card for the money, if you can find it at MSRP that is ($400 or less)
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nvidia
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The ATI HD2900 series was made to compete with the 8800GTS cards. If you try to compare it with an 8800GTX and think "OMG ATI IS TERRIBLE" you're a complete idiot.

It is also true that most of the time ATI cards have better image quality than some Nvidia. I'm no fan boy, but the truth is the truth.... #27 has it. No point in debating this crap.

Personally I think ATI did a very smart thing to only compete with Nvidia in the mid/high range of DX10... and it shows with their HD2900... because everyone has to post their little opinion and all-knowingness of everything.
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#36, I don't understand what conclusions from the article you are basing your arguments on. I did not compare the Radeon cards to either GTS model extensively. I also showed that CrossFire scaled much better than SLI in pretty much every application. I did not report the overclocked scores for the Radeon cards, which might very well account for the different scores you are quoting. Furthermore, there are no other reviews (that I know of) on the web or elsewhere of these 1GB cards. The cards tested by the publication you linked to were the 512MB cards that have been out for over 2 months now.

Since I am going to nuke your post because it is absolutely ludicrous, I will quote it here in its entirety so people know what I am responding to:

"
The simple reality of this test prooves 1 of 2 things:

A. The ATI Cards tested were undperfoming lemons.
B. The article writer was heavily biased towards Nvidia

Go over to www.-urlremoved-.com and see a 'REAL' review of the 2900HD 512mb card alone and you will see it clearly outperforms the 8800gts both versions. In Fact the hd2900 512mb overclocked is only about 10%- 15%slower than the 8800GTX. BTW. ATI's performance in crossfire simply embarrassed Nvidia's. Im not saying it outperforms all Nvidia cards... but rather the FPS increase percentage is much better.

When it all comes down-

ATI = Nvidia for performance overall (apples with apples, oranges with oranges)
ATI Crossfire > Nvidia SLI
ATI > Nvidia for multimedia
ATI > Nvidia for price

Therefore ATI > Nvidia.
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This comment was edited at 07/09/2007 5:09 AM
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ATI can come out with good graphics hardware, but needs more QA on their video device drivers. The ATI 2900 cards are some of the best out on the market and only time will tell when DirectX 10-based games will show the real value of these cards (i.e. ATI has put out a few demos to show the value of the card at: http://ati.amd.com/developer/demos/rhd200..

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