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FPSLabs Home: Microsoft Sidewinder Review Pt. 1

By: Stu Grubbs - Published August 22, 2007 at 3:00 AM EDT - Writer Archive
Microsoft's venerable Sidewinder™ brand has been dormant for quite a few years now. With the release of a brand new gaming mouse, the company plans to bring Sidewinder™ back to the forefront of the gaming scene.


In mid-July, I had the opportunity to meet someone I am sure most of you would like to shake hands with. He is credited with being the initiative behind the Intellimouse Explorer 3.0 coming back into production. His name is Kevin Flick and he is the go-to guy in Microsoft’s PC peripheral division. We met Kevin back when the IME was re-launching and we ran those awesome promotions for original and new IMEs on GotFrag Promo. Back in Spring he contacted us with what he said was “some very fun news.” This, of course, meant I had to fly out to the GotFrag offices in New York to meet with him and some other GotFrag familiar faces. Lee Chen, Trevor Schmidt, and I had dinner with Kevin and discussed many topics from the art of trash talk to the state of gaming today. Even with all the comfortable chatter, Kevin would not budge and would only tell us that he had a new peripheral to show us that was almost two years in the making. Needless to say, we all had a good time and we were excited to see this new product.

The following morning, we all met at the GotFrag offices and got set up for some serious gaming/abuse time. Kevin did some more talking, but I wasn’t listening because the white box behind him had my undivided attention, as it contained the new toy. The game plan was to spend several hours fragging with the new stuff and give some feedback. There was still time to change the product before launch and they wanted our thoughts - this was a new and awesome opportunity for us to influence the product directly.

Kevin had to keep moving the box he had the product in because I repeatedly tried to open it. However, he eventually succumbed to my internal demons, wrapped up his speech to the four of us, and opened the box. In the custom-cut foam sat three identical mice. Lifting one out he said “Here it is”, and my initial reaction was one of sadness.  This thing looked incredibly uncomfortable and the side buttons looked wierd.  I was disappointed until he handed it to me and i tried it out.

Kevin and his team wanted to bring something new to the gaming market, but most of the ideas they were coming up with were already out there. Razer has the angular, symmetrical market cornered, Logitech had the curvy, ergonomic market cornered and Microsoft had already seen tremendous success with the IME 3.0. What was left? They went back to the drawing board and came up with something just extreme enough with a slight twist. Kevin noticed my concern and encouraged me to give it a shot. I obliged, plugged it in, and began my assault on this poor prototype. More on the performance in a bit.

As far as the others’ initial reactions: by the time each of us had our hands on the mouse, we didn’t want to give it up. We had small criticisms and suggestions, but ultimately we felt they had done their job and done it well. I, of course (it might be in my job description), attempted to snag one, but this Kevin Flick guy is really sharp… and I am kind of obvious. At the end of the day we were all very pleased at Microsoft’s new entry and pretty bummed when Kevin had to run to the airport…with the mice. A great visit and a fantastic opportunity.

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odd looking thing. Id have to try it thought before commenting.
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looks like an autobot, I'll buy it for novelty alone!
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Exclusive!
ZICAS!
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DOES NOT WANT
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wtf? am i blind, or did you seriously NOT mention what kind of sensor etc. this mouse has (or is supposed to have)?

anyway, very interesting and cool thing it seems. but i expect it to be quite expensive.

last note : on the first look this review feels more like promo, tbh :>

This comment was edited at 08/22/2007 4:36 AM
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imo the design of the mouse sucks
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#5, as mentioned in the article, we will be giving this mouse a full review once we actually get our hands on it for long enough to give it a proper test. Everything you read here was expanded from a brief few hours of beta testing at the GotFrag office...
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sounds tight

just looks retarded like all the other new outer-space looking mice lol
buddy me
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Once again everyone is bashing something they havent even seen or used yet. Not a whole lot of people have had hands on with these so you may want to reserve your judgment.

This is the company that brought out the fabled IE 3.0 that most people seem to love. When it first came out its not like the world stopped and everyone went out and bought it. :)

This comment was edited at 08/22/2007 3:18 PM
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those side buttons dont look very comfortable...
ownt
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Weirdest MS mouse I've ever seen :P

the design is pretty close to the logitech G9 style
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gotfrag has an office?
#satisfied!
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looks ugly
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#13 yes
and they are planning to buy mcdonald´s and coke, so they won´t need to leave the office anymore

In your opinion, who are they going to market this mouse to? Future gaming champions? As an over the hill nobody, why would I need this mouse?
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The show, The Office pwns. However, I am very skeptical of how this mouse is going to turn out simply by countless amount of features and design -.-
Go Read a Book =)
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before you know it ms is gonna drop the bomb with a touch sensitive gaming mousepad!!! but ontopic, i just dun like the design... they're on it with the extra features but that design....

should be called a sidewhiner
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"If you have large, masculine hands"

Ahaha.

Definitely looks like an interesting mouse.

This comment was edited at 08/22/2007 11:49 AM
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Im pretty sure I read somewhere that its comes out in October for around $80
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read the review
you know that reviews are meant to test the product. not to promote it...

c'mon...
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looks like they're trying to make a new mouse that morons will buy when Halo 2 hits Vista.

looks totally unnecessary...

i'll stick to my 3.0 =)
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I will have to try it, but i love my MX518
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#16 haha wonderdog I am sure even you could use a new mouse.

I buy every new mouse. I was a hard core MS user till the MX510 came out. It will be interesting if this will make me want to switch back. I cant wait to try it.
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#5 has it. Reeks of promo. Specs are more relevant than fanboy rantings.
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#21 I did test the product. How am I to be blamed for really enjoying a product? Should every positive review in this world be considered the creation of marketing or fanboy-ism? If you know me, I am not a big MS fan and secondly, I am a big DeathAdder fan. For this to have impressed me, it had to overcome both obstacles.

#22 Halo 2 has been out for PC for some time. So your theory is already wrong. ;)

#25 Obviously you are quite the scholar and mistakenly took this for the actual review. Or perhaps you chose to not read the numerous times its says PART 1 or the end of the article which states PART 2 will be the actual review with testing once we get a product in house to abuse.

TO ALL: If you read PART 1 of the review, you can see that I had the same reaction as the rest of you on first glance. It was wierd looking and unnatural. However, once we tried it, we were all very impressed with the shape, comfort and performance of this mouse. I have made some additions to the end of this article about some things I forgot to address.

This comment was edited at 08/22/2007 4:11 PM
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weird O_O
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it looks interesting. it will probably cost a bucket load here in NZ so its going to be hard for me to try it out.
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Nice , I like the "Three types of Feet" Available.

Also the Side Buttons look nice and I wonder how the Back having its peak will affect how we hold our mouse :P.

Nice Review BTW. Looks like Microsoft is back :P...

This comment was edited at 08/22/2007 6:11 PM
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HORRIBAD.

what the hell.
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I think it's not fell good
too big,and 'macro rocord' this button to control can't fell good
sorry my english is not well
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2000-dpi lazer. DO NOT WANT.
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Apparently this laser engine is proprietary that has been tested and built for gaming surfaces so as to prevent any problems with previous generations of lasers. This is what we are hearing from MS.
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slap:
Did anyone ever say "yeah, our lazers aren't good tbh"? No.
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now I used mouse is 05 G5 it's laser use it in CS and office fell very good
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sofaking1ty:
I agree with you ! although i am not a profession cser
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double stacking the thumb buttons hmmm i only came up with that idea after the logitech dual optical mouse was released with its nice pad level thumb button but nice try microsoft only 6 years to late :( i wish i had the napkin i drew all this out on with the replaceable mouse feet and the stacked thumb buttons! the chord thing is original tho i like that idea i have a few more but i not about to give microsoft any free advice...

This comment was edited at 08/23/2007 1:47 AM
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"MAX SPEED: 45 inches per second"
Weakpoint there for low-sens'ers, especially since it's supposed to compete with the likes of the Deathadder/518/3.0/etc which manage high speeds.

Still seems like an interesting mouse, I wonder what people will think of it after it comes out and they get to do some long-term reviews. :p
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Are you ever honestly going to move your mouse 45 inches per second? thats almost 4 ft...

didnt think so
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/blush. The credit is undeservedly focused on me. My team and the whole organization sweat bullets to pull off this project. I'm honored to be an ambassador, but the product owes its existence to tons of effort by many incredibly talented people.

OK, now about the mouse! Well, honestly, the fact that I or any reviewer loves the mouse shouldn't seal the deal for you. I expect that you'll need to try this yourself and I expect that you'll need to thrash it a bit before you make up your mind. We've talked to gamers enough to know that they know their way around PC hardware better than most and we expect a healthy skepticism. By the way, most of us are gamers as well (though the guys at GotFrag can school me without breaking a sweat).

Here's a little inside information. We've shown dozens of prototypes to hundreds of gamers in the process of developing this mouse. That shouldn't surprise you. What may surprise you is that we expect the first impression before you get your hand on it to be "Huh?!" Over and over we've heard it... "Wow, that's.... interesting." When that same person gets 5 minutes of hands-on time they're practically always sold on the concept. "Huh?!" turns to "Ooooh, that's why you guys did it that way, I get it!!"

Back to my point - we thoroughly expect the kind of comments you guys are making about the shape. One of the reasons that developing products for gamers is so satisfying is that you guys are so opinionated and vocal! From our perspective, it is different looking for good reasons, but we know you'll have to make that judgment for yourself.

One last thing... some of you are blasting GotFrag for their preview (note - real review is yet to come). They are in no way accountable to us for what they write. Period. While we're glad (relieved, really) that they liked the mouse, it is their objectivity that we value.
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Hey Kevin...

Please consider upgrading the SideWinder Laser Sensor ( Others are better at last from the Specs ) and the USB Rate...

This comment was edited at 08/26/2007 6:02 PM
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atari is dead, c'mon now...sheesh...
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This is ROFL
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rofl @ #43...this mouse looks BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD.
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Definitely for the Professional Gimmick Gamer, it's just so hideous. Looks like Razer has new competition for the ugliest, most overpriced gaming gear.

I'm sure this review wasn't biased at all, with the Microsoft advertising deals, and promotions everywhere on Gotfrag.

Also, change the name of this section back to Gotfrag Hardware. FPS Labs is an awful title, it doesn't even apply to most of the hardware you review; you know, gaming gear.
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#40
You easily can.
Example:
Taking out all reaction based stuff etc, you need to turn 180 degrees. This takes about 0.2 - 0.3 seconds to execute, maybe less for some. What i mean is a 180 quick turn around.
Now say you have a sensitivity of 30 cm (11.8 inch)/360 degrees. To make a a 180 degree turn you need to move the mouse 15 cm ( 5.9 inch ). The speed per second (assuming 180 takes 0.2 seconds to execute) will be 15 cm * 5 / 1 second = 75 cm / second ( 5.9 inch * 5 / 1 = 29.5 inches per second)

30 cm sensitivity works on most pads, now lets see if you make a 360 on a Qck+ (44 cm)
22 * 5 / 1 = 110 cm/second
8.7 * 5/1 = 43.5 inches/second

Here we are already dangerously close to the speed limit of the laser sensor.
Now if your sensitivity will be lower than that, you can easily skip the mouse.
What's more, wrist flick shots tend to be somewhat quicker than 180 turns, so when flicking the mouse could already skip at a sensitivity of 35-40 cm / 360
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#48 - Hit it on the head..

When building the mouse the research behind the lazer or optical engine must be 1st. Even prior to design I would even say. Low sens gamers are a huge market. Whats great about building a solid engine for those low sensers, is that you dont miss out on high sense gamers either. 2 birds one stone!

But lets not forget, it is microsoft guys. And maby this lazer engine is better in quality, then the things were comparing it to. After all, they are building it for gamers, not for office workers. Lets just hope anyways. Otherwise they've simply left out a part of the market.

the Steelseries new mouse looks like it hit this one with the ugly stick,

-da2k

This comment was edited at 09/05/2007 6:42 AM
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four pages of great looking mouseness and then BAM "I would also like to add that this is, in fact, a POS"

there needs to be warning signs on laser mouse reviews

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